In the era of the era of the collection of the world, the amount of art collections has increased rapidly. The collection of traditional Chinese furniture has experienced auctions that have renewed the highest transaction prices again and again in recent years, and the number of collectors who participate in them has also increased. Everyone knows that collections are learned, opportunities and risks coexist, and the collection of traditional furniture is also a wave of water. Deng Xuesong appeared in the media as an expert in the traditional furniture industry and was known and familiar in the circle. However, in private, he prefers to treat the furniture with the "player" mentality, and loves the furniture collection. He also has his own unique understanding of the furniture collection. As a topic, we have launched this interview...
Consumer behavior and collection consciousness
Reporter: The friends in the traditional furniture industry know more about you, and most of them are in the media reports to see your series of articles on the analysis of hot issues in the industry. It seems that many people like the collection of furniture do not know. When did your interest in furniture collection begin?
Deng Xuesong: Very pertinently, in the traditional furniture industry, I am not an expert, just a player. And I bought all the antique furniture of contemporary huanghuali, not old furniture, so it can only be regarded as a rookie level player. The earliest start to buy furniture should be in 2005, the first piece bought was a huanghuali Tianxiang couple created by Mr. Wu Bingliang. At that time, I only stayed at the purchase behavior of buying furniture, and there was no concept of collection. Since I bought the first one, I spent money and got my heart, I began to ponder the structure name and style of the furniture, and naturally became familiar with the friends in the industry, and I began to pay close attention to the industry. Therefore, whether it is the collection of furniture or the research on the industry, I started from “playing†and enjoyed the process of “playingâ€. I think that the real understanding of furniture, only spent money, bought furniture, will be the head of the cantilevered thorns to study and ponder, so the process of playing is not boring, not dogmatic, lively and lively, let people enjoy it.
Reporter: You just mentioned that the first time you buy Huanghuali furniture is mainly a consumer behavior, not from the collection consciousness. Please tell us how to distinguish between consumer behavior and collection behavior in conjunction with specific examples.
Deng Xuesong: If you buy more, just consider how to use it at home, where to put it, and focus on the use of furniture, this is the obvious consumer behavior. If you consider the furniture production process, the source of the model, the type of the type, the style of the genre, etc., this is a collection of ideas. Consumption, collection, and investment all have different focuses, and they also cost money. The positioning and orientation of value are different. These three should be easy to distinguish, but in fact many people will be guilty, will hesitate and entangled, and finally spent a lot of money to buy a bunch of big road goods.
For example, a friend in the past few days accidentally encountered a Hainan huanghuali TV cabinet, the price is OK, he hesitated to buy it, so I called to ask my opinion. I advise him not to buy it, because the price of Hainan huanghuali is already so high, it should be positioned in the collection, and it is no longer just practical. The TV cabinet is a practical object, and it does not make any sense in terms of the appreciation value of the furniture type collection. If you are looking at the material, it is considered to be broken into sheets, and the price is lower than the current market. Moreover, if the thickness and length of the material are not standardized, it is difficult to reform other furniture, and there is no need to buy it. In this way, the idea becomes very simple: the furniture collection must be classic; the investment is to buy wood, it is easy to transfer hands; the model is poor, just for practical purposes, you can't make the price of huanghuali. Therefore, the positioning of the furniture collection must be clear and not to be confused.
Collection and purchase of furniture positioning and standards
Reporter: So, what is the positioning of your furniture purchase? What kind of material and type of furniture is the main? What aspects do you pay most attention to when choosing furniture? Are there any specific standards?
Deng Xuesong: I have several points to consider when purchasing furniture: First, the collection type is mainly based on Huanghuali Ming style furniture. When I choose, I will not consider how to use it, where it is placed, and so on. Instead, consider what models I already have, and what types of models are lacking, because since they are collections, they should be as complete as possible. For example, in the bed type, the Arhat bed, the ottoman and the canopy bed are the most representative models, and they are gradually purchased in the collection. Secondly, collection is an art. The artistic value of traditional furniture is mainly reflected in the beauty created by the proportion of the style. Therefore, when I choose furniture, I put the proportion of the model first, then the production process and the specification of the material. The most basic requirements for the production process of furniture are correct, then rigorous. But unfortunately, there are not many contemporary antique furniture that reach the collection level. The most common problems are the imbalance of the proportion of the design, the lack of production process and the lack of specification of the materials. This part is caused by the cut-off of the workmanship, and partly because of the lack of understanding of the traditional furniture craftsmanship and material standards.
Reporter: You just mentioned that in the furniture collection, the specifications of the models, crafts and materials are used as the criteria for selection evaluation. But you have not been engaged in the production of furniture, then where do these experiences and standards come from? How much time did you spend understanding the standards and specifications from buying the first piece of furniture?
Deng Xuesong: I have been buying the first piece of furniture for almost ten years now. The knowledge about the proportion of the model, the method of processing, the specification of the material, etc. are all from the advice and learning of friends in the industry. The standards I have mentioned are more in the sense of the standards used in Ming and Qing furniture, and are different from the furniture standards produced by most manufacturers in the current antique furniture industry. For example, the thickness of the old furniture table case panel is generally 1.2 cm, the size is larger, and the panel will be thicker. For the current furniture on the market, the thickness of the table type panel is often about 1 cm, and even 0.8 cm, which is not standardized. Why is 1.2 cm standard? Because 1.2 cm is a good balance point, preventing thermal expansion and contraction and climate change causes the sheet to be cracked, which is too thin.
In the process of collecting, the biggest fun is that I like to find a homeworker and a person who has experienced furniture collection to chat and learn. For example, Haiyan, Wu Bingliang, District Shengchun, Yang Bo, Zhang Xingbao and other famous masters of contemporary antique furniture, their understanding of traditional furniture have their own focus and unique insight. "The three-person line must have my teacher." In the usual exchanges, I will learn a lot. For example, Haiyan is good at analyzing the material and culture of Ming style furniture from the perspective of traditional culture. Mr. Wu Bingliang has a good grasp of the proportion of modeling; Mr. Shengshengchun has unique characteristics for traditional furniture craftsmanship and old-fashioned identification. Comprehension; Mr. Yang Bo’s experience in purchasing classic old furniture for many years, the industry’s anecdotes and the material identification skills are very prominent; Mr. Zhang Xingbao’s analysis of the styling evaluation and the connotation of the furniture rhyme is also exceptionally accurate, and so on. numerous. Talking to them about furniture, a chat is often a whole day, often knowing everything, saying everything, really benefiting a lot. In addition, through their matchmaking, they are also in contact with a group of predecessors from the traditional furniture industry in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan. This is the best way to understand the standards of traditional furniture production. There must be a circle in the collection, and there must be friends with high levels and truth to tell each other. In this process, you can learn things, long-sighted and long-term knowledge, and you can appreciate the true value and fun of the furniture collection itself.
Collection must have self-knowledge
Reporter: It is said that the field of furniture collection is also a deep wave of water, and there are many hidden risks. Have you paid the tuition fees and the experience of being deceived in the process of purchasing furniture collection? Have friends who have played furniture collections around you encountered similar risks?
Deng Xuesong: I have never encountered a tuition fee and a deceived experience. This is not to say that I am high or lucky, but that I have self-knowledge and only buy what I can understand. If I don't understand and are not sure, I will find a friend in the circle to help me. In addition, the huanghuali furniture I bought is mainly made by manufacturers and overseas reflow. Of course, there is no problem in enterprise customization. They are familiar and friends. The return of overseas is also through the introduction of insiders, friends. The circle is an expert hand, it will block some fake materials, and the furniture is also more serious, so I have not encountered the situation of paying tuition fees.
Most of the friends who play with the collection are also more experienced, but I have never heard of the situation of buying goods and looking away. I have written some articles in the media and magazines, so there are always strangers who bought huanghuali wood or a batch of huanghuali furniture, and then sent pictures to help me identify the true and false materials. In these pictures, fakes The ratio is very high. I have a rough statistics. From 2011 to 2012, 95% of the photos of the “Huanghuali Furniture†I received were fake, and the sum of the “tuition fees†was about 60 million yuan. Moreover, in recent years, there seems to be a tendency for more money and more people to be stupid, especially with some entrepreneurs who have expanded their self-confidence. Last year, an entrepreneur sent me more than 60 pieces of "Hainan Huanghuali Furniture". From the picture, the material characteristics of African huanghuali and Burmese rosewood are very obvious. After euphemistically telling him on the phone, he said with confidence: "I believe my ability to judge things, if I can't see things, how can I make so much money? I believe it is Huanghuali!" To play with this logic, of course, it is bloodless. Some people have said that there are three stages in playing the collection. The first is to be deceived, the second is to lie to yourself, and the third is to lie to others. This is very sad.
Reporter: In your furniture collection, have you encountered any inaccuracies in the furniture materials? How do you circumvent the risks in this process, can you combine specific examples?
Deng Xuesong: The collection of furniture should be calm, and the second is to be modest. If you don't understand, you can't read it. Don't know how to understand it. Don't go too far with your own money. When you can't understand yourself, look for people with real practical experience in the industry. For example, in the past few years, a group of Vietnamese huanghuali had good material grades and grades, and the price was OK. The seller asked me to go to the warehouse to see the goods. I saw it completely. Huanghuali made furniture, the material is true and false, I know it is sure, but this pile of wood does not know how long it has been put, it is gray, and the surface does not see any color texture and characteristics of huanghua pear, so I candid Tell the seller that I can't read it, I need someone to help me. The seller was very enthusiastic, and promised to buy a ticket to hire a top domestic timber research expert to come to the appraisal. I said that it is not so troublesome. After that, I will call Fang Shengchun and ask him to send a master to help me check. After a few hours, the "master" came to the scene: the body was dirty and dirty, wearing a pair of slippers on the bare feet, a chisel on the left hand, a chisel on the right hand, a root to cut a hole, smelling the wood chips, nodding for me. . I assured the seller: "It can be sold!" The seller and several people present at the meeting said: "Do you believe in this worker because you don't believe in wood research experts?" I said it is very simple, the wood research experts have identified the wrong, and the salary is still taken. . These workers who open the materials and the boss who sells furniture, if they buy a batch of huanghuali wood, they will lose their blood. The experience and vision of the industry is practiced in real money. It is not a piece of paper. I certainly believe in actual combat!
To play with the collection, you must always look at the mirror
Reporter: You mentioned that you will also collect some precious wood. What is the original intention of collecting wood raw materials? The furniture and materials you collect are mainly huanghuali. Why do you have a special liking for huanghuali?
Deng Xuesong: I have talked before, the positioning of the collection should be clear, not ambiguous. I buy Huanghuali furniture and locate it in fine products. Only fine furniture is worth investing and collecting. The more perfect and scarce, the more valuable and valuable it is. The furniture is required as a work of art. Therefore, the furniture with the beauty, the fine art and the excellent material can have the potential and artistic collection value from the “instrument†into the “daoâ€. If it is not a boutique level, then simply buy the wood, the wood is jade, not carved, with a variety of evolution possibilities: see the classic models that others have and do not have, the eyes are hot, you can look around The masters open the production; the funds are tight, and can also be transferred to cash. Into the attack, retreat can be maintained, more than enough.
As for why I have a special liking for Huanghuali, on the one hand, because my university's major is Chinese ink painting, I like the artistic conception and spiritual connotation of literati painting, and Minghua Huanghuali furniture is the extension of literati's thought and aesthetics, so naturally Will be closer. In addition, the main reason is that the money is not enough. The collection is originally a hobby of spending money and losing money. The limited funds can only be positioned in a narrow scope, so that the collection system has the possibility of gradually becoming complete, otherwise it will play both huanghuali and red sandalwood. Agarwood, etc., where is there so much money to support? Therefore, it is only possible to aim in one direction.
Reporter: Your furniture collection has also lasted for ten years, so now look at furniture, compared with ten years ago, what do you think is different? What is the biggest gain in playing furniture for ten years?
Deng Xuesong: Looking at the furniture ten years ago, I was isolated. The furniture is opposite me. I can only touch it and look at the price. I am thinking about it and thinking about it. Is it worth the price? Where is it? Why is it so expensive? As for the craftsmanship and materials, I don’t know anything about it, let alone the problem of the proportion of the shape. I clearly have money in my pocket, but the waist is hard to get up, the gas is not thick, and my heart is still weak, because I can’t understand! This feeling is quite awkward.
Looking at a piece of furniture now, what is the grade? Is the type and proportion in place? Basically, it can be seen at a glance. This feeling is very comfortable. It seems that you are looking at the mirror in your arms. What level of what you know, you will know that you will not be blinded. In addition, buy furniture in the hands of real predecessors, you are looking at furniture, and experts are watching you. You don't know the furniture. To what extent, others are also looking at the mirror. If you look at it, you will see it clearly and you can't fit it. I feel that you know furniture, you can talk and communicate, people are enthusiastic, business is not righteous, tea chat is also very happy, since then, a good friend, every three to five exchanges, have fun. I don't know furniture, even if I have a lot of money, people are entertained, smiling and giving away, I have already kicked you out of my heart, and I can't get in again. Therefore, after ten years of playing furniture, I feel that the biggest gains are two points. The first is to know a number of good teachers and friends; the second is to gradually understand the furniture, and the aesthetic vision has been experienced.
The six realms of furniture collection
Reporter: So what kind of furniture collection, realm and level do you think, how should we distinguish, is there any reference standard? What is the highest realm?
Deng Xuesong: The realm and level of furniture collection can be divided into six levels or stages, namely: investment ownership, market grievances, disciplinary object recognition, aesthetic sensation, self-cultivation, and instrumental enlightenment.
In the first stage, buying furniture is to own or invest and enjoy the happiness of this possession. This level of people seems to be more in recent years, the hand is a large number, called the collection, it is actually sweeping goods.
The second stage is that the market is taking advantage of it, that is, in addition to buying furniture, it also understands the things in the traditional furniture industry. For example, what is the market price? Where does a piece of furniture come from, and a few hands? Recently, the auctions have been completed, who bought what they bought, etc., and they have a clear understanding of these anecdotes.
The third stage is the discernment, which is already a level of veteran players or experts at this stage. A systematic understanding and research on the relevant cultural knowledge of traditional furniture, such as æ¦«å¯ structure, ornamentation name, material identification, style genre, etc. are all familiar. The research on traditional furniture in our country is still in this state as a whole. There are many papers and topics around the discerning object, and there are very few further discussions.
The fourth stage is aesthetic perception, from the furniture production process, craftsmanship and other related knowledge of the artifacts and the degree of production of these "techniques" to the aesthetic feeling of the proportion of the model, similar to the level of "Tao", enter the art appreciation The scope. Some masters have made furniture for a lifetime, and there is no problem in craftsmanship. They can do their best, but they can't design a piece of furniture. It is subject to the scope of "technology" and cannot enter the field of "art". This is cruel. But it is also true. The aesthetic appreciation of furniture not only hinders the craftsmen who are relatively weak in cultural heritage, but also makes it impossible for some experts, scholars and celebrities with deep cultural accumulation to get started. An aesthetic vision is not something that can be bought at a high price, nor can it be confirmed by a high diploma. Understand, you know all at a glance, you don't need to think about reasoning and repeated argumentation. I don't understand, and I have been unable to comprehend and understand the heart for thousands of times. This is similar to the Zen Buddhism.
The fifth stage is the graceful self-cultivation, which refers to the aesthetic appreciation level of furniture, the cultivation of sentiment and the cultivation of morality. As a form of Chinese traditional culture, furniture contains Confucianism, Taoism, and meditation culture. It is like a mirror, allowing collectors to defy self-examination, self-cultivation, and meditation. The literati in the Ming Dynasty in China, the designer of Ming-style furniture, reflected and placed their own feelings and ideals through Suzhou gardens and furniture production. They are the sages and subjects at this level. In the circle of furniture collection, there are several levels to the extent of the first few, but not much. For example, some experts in the circle talk about furniture and culture, modest and gentlemen, high-pitched talks, unique insights, and admiration! Selling your own furniture, to cover up the obvious process defects, material problems, etc., is tempted by the immediate interests, so it is also sighing. Therefore, there are not many people who can do self-cultivation. After all, in reality, people are constrained by various interests, and it is difficult to step up and surpass themselves. In the circle of collecting collections, Mr. Hai Yan is particularly admirable in this regard. Whether it is for their own collections or other people's collections, analysis and evaluation are objective and modest, impartial, and particularly inclusive.
The sixth stage is the realization of the material, that is, in addition to the improvement of utensil production techniques, aesthetic appreciation of the model, and improvement of self-cultivation, the next step is to get rid of the obstruction of "device" and the persistence of "I", and to the extent of meditation. . The meditation and enlightenment that I am talking about here is not a religious belief. It is not a vulgarization of becoming a buddha into a Buddha. It is to raise the ideological understanding to the extent that it is unimpeded, and to completely understand art and life. In fact, this is a major practice. Practice is not limited to meditation, tea, chess, sweeping, and observing. It is the method of practice. I think this is the highest state of art collection.
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